2000 Z3 M Roadster
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Poll: Z3 M Roadster vs S2000
I can't decide between the two. I drove the S2000 and I am test driving an M Roadster in an hour. The M is quicker, but the s2k handles better, from what I read. They are both really reliable, and very similar in a lot of ways. I know I am obviously going to get a completely biased response, but I would really like to hear from the people who have really driven both cars for a longer period of time. Thanks
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I looked into both before I bought mine. The S2000 is a very cool car, but it has a lot less interior room and none of the low-end torque that the M has.
If you go for the S2000, make sure it's a 2002 or later. That is when they started using glass rear windows.
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An M Roady with coilovers will hang with an S2000 in the turns and pass it in the straights. It's better looking, roomier, and is far more scarce.
I think I'd hate to see 3 or 4 other cars just like mine, everyday.
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Torque is soooo nice to have for daily driving. S2000 doesnt make any power until you really wind it out like crazy so you are constantly shifting. M roadster....just hit it in any gear at any rpm and i will move fairly well. No shifting required. Makes driving real nice. There is no replacement for displacement my freind. +1 on not seeing your same exact car 4 times per day too. I love having something different.
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I have driven an S2000 (1st version), and it was so soft on the bottom end. You really have to drive it like you stole and hate it to get the same numbers the magazines produce. This was before I got my roady. I'm sure it get's better gas mileage, but my roady gets a fair amount of stares (and pacing) from S2000 owners.
dion
'00 M roadster, modded
'98 SVT Contour, lots of mods
'04 Sienna XLE LTD AWD
'08 MB C300 Sport, P1, 18's
Tamiya TA05, Evolution IV MS, CR-01
Kyosho MP777 SP2
Losi BK2 and MRC
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Are you really asking this here or are you likewise posting a poll on an S2000 forum. I mean folks here are clearly pre-disposed to respond for the M roadster as that's what they've bought.
Now in E92 M3 ZCP -- Absolute beast
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Should be getting into the M right about now... be sure to give us the full write-up on your impressions! Is it an S52 or S54 roady? THAT will make a big difference.
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if there was a coupe s2k I prolly wouldn't be here. wringing out the motor is what I do now.
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I'm the one person in the poll that voted S2K. The difference in driving feel, handling, and driving enjoyment is just huge. Even as a M Coupe owner, I have to admit that as a sports car, the S2K outshines the M roadster in every department except class and straight-line acceleration.
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I test drove them both a couple times before I chose and kept going back and forth about the trade offs of each. I liked the M Roadster's styling more, but I could get a newer and more reliable S2K for the same price. The handling of the S2K was better, but the M had more power. In the end the M was what I really wanted. Handling wise you can bring an M up to an S2K with a few mods, but it would take a lot of turbo charging to get an S2K up to an M's torque. The argument went on and on.
Then I drove an S54 and that settled it. You can rev it like an S2K, but it has power down low! I think I would still choose and S52 over and S2K, but the S54 ends the argument. Plus I think the M's suspension is more fun than the S2K, you can drift the hell out of it if you want and it requires more precise throttle metering than the S2K in my uneducated opinion.
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Z-3's are collector cars, S-2000's are destined for the junk yards.
No question about it, the Z!
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M Roadster any day! If you go S52 they have the same HP, but the M has more torque. If you put the two on the highway and went at it the S2000 may get you on the top end, but it's nothing that an M50 manifold couldn't fix. S54 would stomp the Honda. Plus, the Honda isn't manufactured in Germany
- i would think coupes are collectors cars....but ALL z3s... that might be pushing the envelope of grouping them as collector cars
Originally Posted by A.LaPole2.8L 00 
Z-3's are collector cars, S-2000's are destined for the junk yards.
No question about it, the Z!straight line performance isn't something I judge a car by. an s54 would win, but then for the same price you could buy a used corvette and beat an s54. oh btw, all z3's are made in South Carolina NOT germany Originally Posted by kramerj M Roadster any day! If you go S52 they have the same HP, but the M has more torque. If you put the two on the highway and went at it the S2000 may get you on the top end, but it's nothing that an M50 manifold couldn't fix. S54 would stomp the Honda. Plus, the Honda isn't manufactured in Germany
edit: I forgot why i chose s2k as well. as a m coupe owner, i love this car. but again, if the s2k was a coupe (hardtops don't do it for me) I might have bought it. I hate to say it but when i drive a s2k, it feels more sporty (which is what it should do). the coupe does feel sport and powerful, but at times it feels heavy and well the tranny is a major feeling in the whole driving experience and s2k tranny > s52 tranny
"I'm a ricer because I have z3 fenders"
- Well, assembled at least. Not much different from many cars that are no longer assembed in the country of origin. As long as it is not Mexico, I wouldn't be too worried about that... Originally Posted by petern101
all z3's are made in South Carolina NOT germany
SOLD MAY '14
Mods: 6psi Supercharger kit; Rogue RSM's; DINAN strut brace; Magnaflow exhaust; Stewart waterpump; Stoneguards, Glove box fix, M Shift knob; Aux input adapter; Mesh bumper grill; Projector Z II headlights (35W Xenon), IE alu radiator, ARD wheel studs, H&R coilovers, Work VS-XX wheels/Hankook V12 tires, VANOS fix
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What do you want to do with the car? If it is for street driving, you want torque, so the decision is easy. If it is for the track, maybe an S2k?
SOLD MAY '14
Mods: 6psi Supercharger kit; Rogue RSM's; DINAN strut brace; Magnaflow exhaust; Stewart waterpump; Stoneguards, Glove box fix, M Shift knob; Aux input adapter; Mesh bumper grill; Projector Z II headlights (35W Xenon), IE alu radiator, ARD wheel studs, H&R coilovers, Work VS-XX wheels/Hankook V12 tires, VANOS fix
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If its S52, I'd probably go with the S2k for the many reasons already said above. But if its S54, then I gotta go with the M. You just cant ignore the extra 75hp.
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I would take an AP2 S2000 over an m roady. I was close to getting an s2k before my coupe, but I'm not a huge fan of convertibles. I always said, if I were to ever buy a vert, it would be an s2k. The ap2 looks beautiful, and drives like a dream. Im tall, though, and there isn't a lot of room. I would end up buying a hardtop for it too, looks beautiful.
- The S54 engine was built in germany on the Z3s, anyway... Originally Posted by luciano136
Well, assembled at least. Not much different from many cars that are no longer assembed in the country of origin. As long as it is not Mexico, I wouldn't be too worried about that...
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Well I test drove the M Roadster today. It's raining today so I couldn't rip it, or put the top down. It was a 98, so its the s52, so the two engines are pretty similar, except the torque issue. The interior is definitely 1000x better than the S2000's. Coming from an e36, the M Roadster is totally familiar, which is a good thing. But after this test drive, I am even more confused as to which route to go, haha.
I love BMW's and German cars, and I don't know if I could get over the fact of driving a non-euro car too easily. This will be my only car, so it needs to be reliable, it needs to be easy to work on so I can do all the work myself, and it needs to be somewhat comfortable, or at least tolerable for daily driving. The M has softer suspension than my e36 has currently, and the s2k's is pretty stiff. Then the torque issue. But the s2k would outhandle the M stock. I am not too concerned with aftermarket stuff, cause I probably will keep the car very stock.
I dunno. The cars are so similar, but so different. Tough, tough decision, even after driving both.
This is the car I drove. I am not planning on buying it as it is through a dealer and an easy $3k overpriced, but I just wanted a test drive.
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.js...ice=&cardist=7
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If you plan on driving it daily, you should go with the M as it is more roomy and comfortable than the S2k.
SOLD MAY '14
Mods: 6psi Supercharger kit; Rogue RSM's; DINAN strut brace; Magnaflow exhaust; Stewart waterpump; Stoneguards, Glove box fix, M Shift knob; Aux input adapter; Mesh bumper grill; Projector Z II headlights (35W Xenon), IE alu radiator, ARD wheel studs, H&R coilovers, Work VS-XX wheels/Hankook V12 tires, VANOS fix
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I voted M (obviously) but I have to agree that it's a tough decision between the S52M and the S2K. Good luck with you decision.
Mods: Kumho ECSTA MXs (stock sizes), H&R Coilovers, Turner Brake Package with Stainless Brake Lines
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Sitting in the S2000 is like sitting in a bath tub. I hated how the door sills were so high (like most convertibles these days).
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- Don't like that either. Classic roadster style should be low door sills... Originally Posted by AutoRotate
Sitting in the S2000 is like sitting in a bath tub. I hated how the door sills were so high (like most convertibles these days).
SOLD MAY '14
Mods: 6psi Supercharger kit; Rogue RSM's; DINAN strut brace; Magnaflow exhaust; Stewart waterpump; Stoneguards, Glove box fix, M Shift knob; Aux input adapter; Mesh bumper grill; Projector Z II headlights (35W Xenon), IE alu radiator, ARD wheel studs, H&R coilovers, Work VS-XX wheels/Hankook V12 tires, VANOS fix
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I've been driven of an S54 Mroady and an owner of an 04 SCed S2k.
As many members already mention somes of the Pro and Con of the cars.
Beside the engines.
The Mroady is feeling Old.
These are the problems that most Z3's owner will Ashame and wont mentioned.
Dated 5 speed transmission was donated from Detroit by GM.
The S54 engine of 01 and 02 models is a time bomb.and also It's very expensive for maintenance.
Electrical grembling,typical BMW problem,Especially older bmw cars.
Crack Sub Frame.
Broken Window regulators.
Glove box.
Car seat bushings and more.
There's a reason why BMW will move the Assemby plant back in the Home land.?????
- Lies! Originally Posted by dans2k
The S54 engine of 01 and 02 models is a time bomb.and also It's very expensive for maintenance.
The S54s have proven themselves very robust, with issues in our cars very few and far between.
Maintenance is extremely reasonable, especially given the performance of the engine. The only things that make it *slightly* more expensive than your average bmw 6 is a DIY valve adjustment every 30k, and using 10W60 Castrol.
A lot of what you're mentioning is no function of where the car is made (electrical gremlins... ok, so a switch or sensor on rare occasion? BMW is no Lucas Prince of Darkness, Subframe issues have been observed across other model lines, etc etc...) Originally Posted by dans2k There's a reason why BMW will move the Assemby plant back in the Home land.?????
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